Ok, lets end the discussion here: > As I said before, this is getting away from what "bugtraq" is intended > to address. We should not continue the discussion here. Besides, I > don't think there is any disagreements over the basic points: > * Not all response teams are the same > * FIRST is not CERT > * CERT is not "evil incarnate", nor are they useless. They simply > aren't as useful as the image some people have (had) > * The general community is somewhat safer with groups like CERT than without > * Response teams could do a better job in some ill-defined ways. > * Our #1 problem is the people who try to break into our systems, > not the people who are trying to help (misguided or otherwise) > > --spaf (Thanks spaf) Let's continue onward. If you feel some issue discussed here needs further development, please take it offline. --S